1b tyres allowed in standard classes?

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by dennis.doyle

Whoever put the MSA up to this action a couple of days before March should be deeply ashamed of themselves.

Very rare for me to speak up in defence of the MSA but in all fairness they haven't changed anything, it was the way the clubs involved put out their own championship regs in defiance of the published regs and guides.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Very rare for me to speak up in defence of the MSA but in all fairness they haven't changed anything, it was the way the clubs involved put out their own championship regs in defiance of the published regs and guides.

Clubs have always been able to determine their own supplementary regs as long as they don't exceed the latitude granted by a control within the blue book.

As far as i'm aware, there was nothing defiant in the action taken, it was with the full engagement and consideration of the MSA Speed Committee.

J

[dennis.doyle]

Does nobody understand the difference between the 7 MSA CATEGORIES & the numerous CLASSES run by clubs at event & championships?

As an example do you want the MSA to spend our money interfering with the MG Luffield championship which currently says:

“Only standard road legal tyres published in list 1A of the MSA yearbook are permitted. Tyres that have previously been on list 1A will be permitted at the discretion of the Championship eligibility scrutineer.”

[The Pugilist]

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Very rare for me to speak up in defence of the MSA but in all fairness they haven't changed anything, it was the way the clubs involved put out their own championship regs in defiance of the published regs and guides.

I am aware that the majority of the organising clubs have had the draft regs in at the msa for over 2 months!

Responding 5 weeks before the season starts is unnaceptable. Especially when they were fully aware of what was being discussed in oct!!

[dennis.doyle]

Agreed & another point to consider:

Exactly where in the great scheme of things do series production cars on slicks go – are they banned under MSA categories?

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Fireblade

Very rare for me to speak up in defence of the MSA but in all fairness they haven't changed anything, it was the way the clubs involved put out their own championship regs in defiance of the published regs and guides.

The various clubs did not "put out their own championship regs" without having had them cleared by the MSA. Liverpool Motor Club have already had their regs cleared and have the three licenses for their Aintree Sprints issued under the "Northern Clubs" class structure - in fact we already have recieved entries for the April meeting!

Originally Posted by JamieK

Clubs have always been able to determine their own supplementary regs as long as they don't exceed the latitude granted by a control within the blue book.

As far as i'm aware, there was nothing defiant in the action taken, it was with the full engagement and consideration of the MSA Speed Committee.

J

The clubs were told by the MSA that they MUST utilise the category regulations but they could add "supplementary regs" so long as these did not impair safety. Thus a club could not specify that it was OK to run on slicks in a Road-Going Class.

Originally Posted by dennis.doyle

Does nobody understand the difference between the 7 MSA CATEGORIES & the numerous CLASSES run by clubs at event & championships?

Yes. It is simple Dennis. The clubs must utilise the Category Regulations in their Class Structure. So a club must write its regs for the various Road-Going Production Car classes utilising the relevant Category regs in the Blue book. Do not forget that the MSA Blue Book does not at present lay down a National Class structure. However if the MSA get too much flack from clubs/championships I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't get involved in developing a set of National Classes that became mandatory!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by dennis.doyle

Exactly where in the great scheme of things do series production cars on slicks go – are they banned under MSA categories?

No they would have to comply with the Mod Prod Category Regulations as that is the class they would have to run in.

[dennis.doyle]

Surely on this basis the HSA, LMC, Chester MC, ANWCC etc etc etc should simply ignore the MSA letter? In what sense do their clases not fit inside an appropriate MSA category?

[Lydden]

Looks like some clubs tried to drive a coach and horses through the regs in their bid to make a mark on their champ regs to me. and I wouldn't have thought that ticking the Ignore box was on their list of options. Shabby all round, on the MSA front and the behaviour of some of the championships/clubs involved. It has caused needless trouble all round that could have been avoided IMHO.

No doubt there will be some spin put on the whole unhappy charade and I believe I witnessed some further up this page from the great North West. No doubt there will be more.

Regards

Lydden

[dennis.doyle]

I disagree.

As a casual observer there was no “coach & horses”. All I could see was taking soundings, discussion, paying attention to feedback & passing questions back to the MSA over a period of several months.