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Old 12-08-10, 20:55
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No More Westfields / Caterhams etc in Road Going Specialist prod.?

Hi

Posting this as a seperate topic so we don't get all muddled in the 'No Confidence' thread..

In the latest Motorsport Now is a proposed rule change re suspension configuration:-

11.7.1. Suspension configuration must
remain standard.
The suspension type and mountings must
remain the same as that fitted by the
manufacturer. The shock absorbers may be of
any make and may be uprated from standard.
Adjustable spring platform struts are
Permitted. The mounting method and position
must remain as specified by the manufacturer.
Springs are free but must retain their original
location. Bushes may be changed for similar
polymer materials, but rose-joints or similar
metal joints are prohibited



- am I reading this right, as my small mind works it our as:-

road going specialist production cars won't be allowed rose joints in their suspension.

Which will be an issue, as I'm really struggling to think of a 'locaterfield' that doesn't have them as standard..

So i'm assuming this is just me and there's something obvious I've overlooked.. somebody want to point out what please..
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Old 12-08-10, 21:09
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It says you cannot change bushes for 'rose-joints'. So there's no problem if you start with a 'rose joint'.

IIRC many fwd cars with struts have something similar to a heavy duty Rose joint between the bottom of the strut and the track control arm.

They could word it more clearly to express the intent, I don't know why the MSA don't have the Blue Book proof read before it generates upset.

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Old 12-08-10, 21:17
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Ahh

Ok so what we're saying is that the comma after 'materials' means it only applies if you've swapped one for a Bush.
compared to - If it was a full stop we'd definatly be knackered.

Hmmm, given some of the differences in opinion one comes across not entirely sure I'm comfortable with that..

Be interesting to get a Scruitineers thoughts?
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Old 12-08-10, 21:25
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It says you cannot change bushes for 'rose-joints'. So there's no problem if you start with a 'rose joint'.
A bit of wishful thinking, seeing what you like to.

Having said that, rumour has it that there are "moves afoot" to clarify (eek) the rules.

What is really needed is to explain the intent and aims of the rule so people know the principles they are based upon instead of guessing piecemeal from badly written individual rule changes.
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Old 12-08-10, 22:54
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I'm with Paul on this one, if it came standard with Rose joints then fine as you have not altered the configuration of the Manufacturer.


I must say though, had they written . . . .

Bushes may be changed for similar
polymer materials, but substitution for rose-joints or similar
metal joints is prohibited.

Would have prevented misinterpretation.
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Old 13-08-10, 10:09
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the grey area would be proving that it came with Rose Joints, how would a Scrute know if a car came with them so would surely it would then be up to the Competitor to prove it came as 'standard'? By definition the majority of Locatorfields are custom/non standard or am i mislead?
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Old 13-08-10, 12:39
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I'm with Paul on this one, if it came standard with Rose joints then fine as you have not altered the configuration of the Manufacturer.


I must say though, had they written . . . .

Bushes may be changed for similar
polymer materials, but substitution for rose-joints or similar
metal joints is prohibited.

Would have prevented misinterpretation.
The rule on this one is glaringly obvious, so has/is anyone who it affects going to contact the MSA before it is too late.
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Old 13-08-10, 17:22
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The rule on this one is glaringly obvious, so has/is anyone who it affects going to contact the MSA before it is too late.
Now have done - but i've sent an email to that address before, a reply to it on the other hand..
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