Problem for Road Modified Classes

[Steve Wilkinson]

I suggest ANYONE who is either unsure of the way the regulations are to be applied in 2009 or would like clarification should get in touch with a Speed Events Committee Member. They should be able to advise on the correct procedure to take.

It would appear that one individual has a somewhat different view of what I80 means compared to everyone else.

The only way to clarify matters is to act directly rather than post open queries on forums!

[SteveM]

No cold nights in the north sea when you race a Laser dingy Red , home for a hot bath and dinner.

[RussellT]

I am now wishing I had kept some of my old Blue Books to go back and re read!

Re asking for clarification from a Speed Event Committee member well I went to the technical section which seemed like the sensible option and its taken 5 months to get a reply and then only when I asked John Richardson of the ANWCC for help.

Chester and Liverpool Speed Champ ran a Road going modified saloon classes last year and here is a copy of text from the 2008 LDMC Northern Speed Champ regs

LDMC 2008 Championship classes are as follows;
lA Road Modified Saloon

& Sports Cars up to 1400cc, (excl Kit,
Replica & Spaceframed Cars).
IB/2 Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars 1401cc to 2000cc, (excl
Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars). (2 seater)
IB/4 Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars 1401cc to 2000cc, (excl
Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars). (4 seater)
lC Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars over 2001cc, (excl Kit,

Replica & Spaceframed Cars).

I have spent the last 5 years competing in a class that as Red has pointed out doesnt exist!

This is how LDMC listed the allowable modifications in the 2008 regs;

NOTE:
Cars running in the Road Modified classes are defined as Production cars,
which may be modified subject to the following: The main chassis structure
and the suspension configuration must remain standard. The cylinder
block, cylinder head, gearbox casing and differential casing should be of
the original type and material, but may be modified, although they must
remain in their original position.
Sequential gearboxes are not permitted unless fitted as standard.
Induction is free (forced induction equivalency applies) as are exhaust sys
tems. Cars must be taxed (no trade plates), insured, MoT d where applica
ble and road legal at all times.
The removal of seats and interior trim (with the exception of carpets/floor
mats) is not permitted, but in the interests of safety the front seats may be
replaced by a competition version, which must be fully trimmed, (not just a
bare shell) and a roll cage may be fitted.
All working equipment fitted as standard, such as operating windows,
heater, etc, must remain in position and be totally operable at all times.
Glass may not be replaced by any other material.
All cars must run with a full windscreen. The bonnet and boot lid may be
replaced by versions in another material, but all other bodywork must
remain in the original material. Wheel arches must remain standard but
extensions will be permitted, bonnet louvres etc may be added and body
work may be reprofiled provided that the silhouette of the car above the
centre line ofthe wheels remains unaltered. Aerodynamic devices in any
material, may be utilised provided the silhouette as described above

remains unchanged.

You see that the cylinder head block gearbox and diferential internals may be modified but the 2008 Blue Book does not say that you can. LDMC havnt made these regs up this is what the Blue Book used to say.

It all seems very odd to me, has there been a simple transcription error from one year to the next?

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by RussellT

I am now wishing I had kept some of my old Blue Books to go back and re read!

Re asking for clarification from a Speed Event Committee member well I went to the technical section which seemed like the sensible option and its taken 5 months to get a reply and then only when I asked John Richardson of the ANWCC for help.

Chester and Liverpool Speed Champ ran a Road going modified saloon classes last year and here is a copy of text from the 2008 LDMC Northern Speed Champ regs

LDMC 2008 Championship classes are as follows;
lA Road Modified Saloon

& Sports Cars up to 1400cc, (excl Kit,
Replica & Spaceframed Cars).
IB/2 Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars 1401cc to 2000cc, (excl
Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars). (2 seater)
IB/4 Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars 1401cc to 2000cc, (excl
Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars). (4 seater)
lC Road Modified Saloon & Sports Cars over 2001cc, (excl Kit,

Replica & Spaceframed Cars).

I have spent the last 5 years competing in a class that as Red has pointed out doesnt exist!

This is how LDMC listed the allowable modifications in the 2008 regs;

NOTE:
Cars running in the Road Modified classes are defined as Production cars,
which may be modified subject to the following: The main chassis structure
and the suspension configuration must remain standard. The cylinder
block, cylinder head, gearbox casing and differential casing should be of
the original type and material, but may be modified, although they must
remain in their original position.
Sequential gearboxes are not permitted unless fitted as standard.
Induction is free (forced induction equivalency applies) as are exhaust sys
tems. Cars must be taxed (no trade plates), insured, MoT d where applica
ble and road legal at all times.
The removal of seats and interior trim (with the exception of carpets/floor
mats) is not permitted, but in the interests of safety the front seats may be
replaced by a competition version, which must be fully trimmed, (not just a
bare shell) and a roll cage may be fitted.
All working equipment fitted as standard, such as operating windows,
heater, etc, must remain in position and be totally operable at all times.
Glass may not be replaced by any other material.
All cars must run with a full windscreen. The bonnet and boot lid may be
replaced by versions in another material, but all other bodywork must
remain in the original material. Wheel arches must remain standard but
extensions will be permitted, bonnet louvres etc may be added and body
work may be reprofiled provided that the silhouette of the car above the
centre line ofthe wheels remains unaltered. Aerodynamic devices in any
material, may be utilised provided the silhouette as described above

remains unchanged.

You see that the cylinder head block gearbox and diferential internals may be modified but the 2008 Blue Book does not say that you can. LDMC havnt made these regs up this is what the Blue Book used to say.

It all seems very odd to me, has there been a simple transcription error from one year to the next?

These are the same as the Harewood classes, organisers did not have to use the MSA catagories/classe , nor do they next year , but will have to from 2010, i think this is where all the confusion is comeing from.

[Radical]

Yes, the same (or similar) relaxation of the "rules" from the MSA have been applied by most regional associations and championships for many years.

However the MSA in its infinate wisdom has decided to make the "categories" (previously only reccommended) manditory. Originaly with immeadiate effect, but after protest (from just about everybody outside the ivory towers of colinbrock) only reccomended for 2009 , but still manditory for for 2010.

The rules do not specify classes and allow further restriction e.g. capacity breaks etc. However they are clear and very restrictive about what is (and not) allowed in Production (road) and modified categories.

I stonglyavise everone to write (on paper) to the MSA topoint out the errors of their ways as without so they claim that it was published but there were no complaints, so there is no problem....

[Rescue Dude]

Can i fit a fibreglass hatch with a plastic rear window to my 205 and still run in roadgoing? I,ve looked in the bluebook and it says that i can but i can't change the glass for any other material.
Advice please?

[SteveM]

can fit the hatch but you have to put the glass back in not perspex

[Rescue Dude]

Originally Posted by SteveM

can fit the hatch but you have to put the glass back in not perspex

Thats how i read it. Bugger!! Not sure if it's worth doin then.

[Radical]

note that the current Blue book does not contain the rule changes "published" and to come in ....

as you saw "not worth doing" that is the point of the regulation, they don'y want you to modify anything.

remember the overriding FIA rule, "if it is not explicitly allowed, then it is NOT allowed"

[SteveM]

I still think its all about getting roll cages into all modified cars, to cover the msa if there is an accident.