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11-05-11, 20:37
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Sports Libra 2012
Can any one tell me what is going to happen to this class next year, as there seems to be a behind the scenes activity going on, as some will know I am under going a build of a car that will be used in sport libra, but after last w/e at Shelsley, I am now thinking is hillclimbing where I WANT TO BE, IF POLITICS ARE GOING TO STOP US FROM ENJOYING OUR SPORT, (WHICH WE PAY FOR, AND SPECATORS PAY TO WATCH), before any one asks I can not at this time say any more, as the problem has gone to a higher commitee.
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11-05-11, 22:27
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John:
I think libre is being re-defined (I know about the situation you refer to) but also I always thought it was for the unusual car, the quirky one-off, for a chassis/engine combo not what was made on mass. I have a background in hot rods and one-offs and the reason i went to Libre was to be 'liberated' from the Impreza norm. I like to think my Lola is such a quirky car and my old impreza is in the right place and doing really well. Searching for the dimensions of a timing strut (mine is still in the Prescott blue-bells) i happened on the definition of Mod Prod (Imprezas etc) and i cannot see what the Shelsley fuss was about. I don't have any problem with the swelling of Over 2 litre Libre this year (and next) but an Impreza is a modified saloon even with a few wings about it's person? One thing for sure, i am very sad to see this issue in the class i used to love for nearly 20 years of hillclimbing, and i hope common sense prevails and adherence to the rule book (as long as the rules are black or white) Time will tell! Graham. |
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11-05-11, 22:52
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You still need a class for shed specials (the innovaters) but road based mass produced saloons that already compete in well populated road going (MOT & taxed classes) such as rallying should be able to compete in a competitive class of their own, not libre. There needs to be a shared set of class rules across motorsport disciplines, sprinting / hillclimbing, circuit racing and rallying to avoid any grey areas. Where there isn't a need for shared rules the MSA should not attempt to define them. I picked a copy of the 1976 MSA year book the other day. Very simple and easy to understand rules. Wish it was like that now.   Go on do tell us what is happening!. Was someone driving too fast in the class?
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11-05-11, 22:56
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Unless there has been further proposals the changes went out for consultation in MSN last year and basically were just a tidy up of the Sports Libre definitions to remove reference to things like the non existent Special Saloon regulations ( the definition of which was in fact removed from the Blue book several years ago) and other anomalys.
As I remember the proposals back then, they created the sports libre that allowed all the odd balls without the need to artificially classify them in the sub divisions. At the time there were several post complaining about the removal special saloons, it appeared the they had not noticed that they had not in fact been defined for several years. I believe there is a genuine case for the Modified classes to allow engine swaps, perhaps in a "super modified production" i.e. non space frame special saloons
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12-05-11, 06:40
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It is v easy to make a simple sport complicated, but it is now that we have advanced cars in what were road going classes and all on slicks (or allowed to be on slicks) that we see as good as full race cars mixing it with semi road/full road going road cars.
It is good that people develop extream cars for any class but I feel the rules are out of kilter for these cars, UNLESS the idea is to restrict the extreamness so preserving some identity to production cars they are based on.(?) I feel the Puma, the Pikes Peak cars in Libre are correct, unique cars due to chassis/drive train or cut-n-shut etc, the Wolf is another perfect Libre car, Nick Mann's old Morris Minor with Rover V8 would be too. Non of these cars below on the mod prod saloon class which i feel have the correct type of cars, Evoroos with mild-to-wild developments, production cars taken to extream but with the right engines etc to keep them 'production'. As to a Super Modified Production class: Great idea, but defining the rules that put a car in that class and not the established class would be tricky! I still feel theat the Libre classes are for odd-balls and not simply developed production cars. It would be wrong to go to the details that has prompted this discussion, that is private and will filter out into the Paddock in due course via the grapevine. The Blue Book is a complex thing and hard to keep open to the page let alone understand it fully. Been said before that to be able to have specific books for the license you have would add clarity, thus a Hillclimb/sprint/drag book with the mandatory Safety section would be quite focused, but the rules will never be simple. When I started this great sport in 1991 it seemed so simple, but so were the cars. Graham. |
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12-05-11, 08:08
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If anyone wishes to pm me to let me know if i've wasted my time and money buying an Impreza i'd appreciate it.
 It would be treated with the strictest confidence.
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12-05-11, 08:31
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Here in Guernsey we run Special saloon classes, following on from the 2010 technical reg issues, for the 2011 season we approached the MSA with a proposal to give us dispensation for Reg:12.4.1 (unitary construction mods, tunnels 5 link etc) within the Special saloon technical regs,this allowed all the 5 linked tunnel modded steel shelled saloons to run legally within the Special saloon sub class and run within the remaining technical regs set out in the Blue book.
The MSA granted us the required permission and this solved all of our issues. All of our other classes remained as per Blue book.
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