St Goueno & La Pommeraye entries open

[Joshua]

I'll check about other dates and let you know Paul.

[muppet]

Can someone (especially JL) confirm whether we can still use FIA 1986 overalls at Saint Goueno or do I finally have to buy some 8856-2000 overalls? I'd hate to be too smartly turned out with the correct size overalls after all these years..

[muppet]

Meant to add what a great picture on the Hillclimb France site John. Thanks

[guilleracing]

I have personally been turned away from a hillclimb at scrutineering with the 1986 spec overalls. You might as well be wearing cotton pyjamas for all the residual fire protection overalls of this age will afford you. (IMHO) He |He!

Go on spoil yourself!


Greg.

[muppet]

Thanks for that. Some of us want every conceivable protection available and take every possible precaution to minimise the risks in everything we do which is an extremely commendable position.....but not necessarily entirely mine.

Anyone able to answer the question. FIA 1986 seems acceptable to the MSA so how about our French colleagues?

[redturner37]

Originally Posted by muppet

Thanks for that. Some of us want every conceivable protection available and take every possible precaution to minimise the risks in everything we do which is an extremely commendable position.....but not necessarily entirely mine.

Anyone able to answer the question. FIA 1986 seems acceptable to the MSA so how about our French colleagues?

My 3" seat belts were brand new 5 years ago and are still perfectly acceptable at UK events, however, I have to buy new ones for this year to compete in France. What is acceptable in the UK may not be in France...

[carl_w]

Originally Posted by guilleracing

I have personally been turned away from a hillclimb at scrutineering with the 1986 spec overalls. You might as well be wearing cotton pyjamas for all the residual fire protection overalls of this age will afford you. (IMHO)

Why do you say this? The fire resistance is inherent to the Nomex material, it doesn't 'wear out' like Proban.

[John Lloyd]

Originally Posted by muppet

Can someone (especially JL) confirm whether we can still use FIA 1986 overalls at Saint Goueno or do I finally have to buy some 8856-2000 overalls? I'd hate to be too smartly turned out with the correct size overalls after all these years..

As long as your suit passes 2012 MSA scruteneering in the UK then it will be fine for Saint Goueno and La Pommeraye Masters events.

Below is a guide of driver and vehicle requirements.



Driver documentation

A valid driving licence.

A valid drivers competition licence of any grade issued by the MSA.

European Health Insurance card (EHIC).



Clothing
HANS device to be worn by drivers of all cars with the exception of*;

1. *Cars built before 1977.

2. *Standard production cars fitted with original equipment lap and diagonal seat belts.

Helmet which complies with current MSA requirement for hillclimbs.

Race suit which complies with current MSA requirement for hillclimbs.

Gloves to FIA standard.

Drivers of single seaters & sports racers must wear a balaclava.



Competition car
The car must comply with the hillclimb technical regulations of the UK or Ireland *.

* Sand Racing type cars are not permitted.

In addition to the above the car must have the following safety equipment;



Fire extinguisher

Closed, sports convertable and 7esque cars. . . 2kg hand held minimum.

Single seaters/sports racers . . . plumbed in 2kg minimum.



Harness:

Standard road cars . . . OE or FIA as below.

Modified saloons/sports . . . FIA 4 point with 3 inch shoulder straps (in date).

Single seater/sports racers . . . FIA 6 point with 3 inch shoulder straps (in date).



Other:

Rear view mirrors.

Clearly marked towing points.

[guilleracing]

Hi chaps,

I am only commenting with your safety in mind. Older overalls however well cared for, get worn thin, the stitching gets loose and so on. I have personally seen the results of petrol burns on human skin and as I said at the start, I am only worried for your safety so you have to make the call on how safe you want to be.


If John says you are ok with UK spec overalls, GO FOR IT!

You won't be disappointed with the events!

Bring your party head! Both events will make unforgettable weekends!

[muppet]

Thanks for the very clear response John

The reason I love hillclimbs so much if I'm 100% honest is the adrenaline and the feeling that I am beating the system (no plod, no 'safety' cameras and little evidence yet of killjoy H&S executives). Whilst you are all entitled and quite sensible in taking every precaution possible I can't help thinking you'd be best protected by not leaving home but I'd never think of suggesting that as we are individuals with our own thoughts and principles.

Once again thankyou John for confirming that the MSA requirements are sufficient and look forward to seeing you in June.