Is there another class for my Lola?

[Lolat492]

Currently in Sports Libre over 2000cc.

the car is a Sports racer 1978 with a 1985 3200cc engined Lola T492
It is a one-off.

Is there another class to race in other than Class G in the midland?

I will be crushed by others next year in Class G.
Is there some where else I can hide?

Graham.

[blackx]

I think with the engine choice it's only going to be Sports Libre for you Graham ....

Some clubs may run a class for Sports Racers but again the engine fitted may exclude you from those classes ?

[PaulR]

Class N in the Midland Hillclimb Championship is for 'Sports Racing and Racing Cars manufactured up to 1985 inclusive'. There appear to be no rules as such covering engines etc but I guess a word with Tony Fletcher would make eligibility clear.

Paul

[bentimingstrut]

I tried to enter the above class N with my 1974 Mallock which was fitted with a 1997Suzuki engine. I was not allowed due to the rule stating that the car must run with an original spec engine.1700 crossflow or something similar.

[Rescue Dude]

Originally Posted by bentimingstrut

I tried to enter the above class N with my 1974 Mallock which was fitted with a 1997Suzuki engine. I was not allowed due to the rule stating that the car must run with an original spec engine.1700 crossflow or something similar.

Graham may get away with it as his engine is 85.

Only Red Leader can say for certainty though.

[Bazimoto]

Just to clear up the anomalies with class N, this is for pre 1985 open wheel racing cars only. You are not allowed to run sports racing cars in the same class as open wheelers as determined by the MSA who over ruled Tony Fletcher, who himself would have been happy to have run sports racers and open wheel cars pre 1985 in the same class.

Examples of this are Alan Goodwin of Aldon with his Aldon Sports racer and Terry Clifford with his pre 1985 Pilbeam MP43 Sports racer, who was originally going to be in this class N but was told of the MSA class ruling and therefore had to go into Sports Libre.

With regard to the engines in these cars, they either are defined as period for that particular car or engines of the time that were then available for single seaters, i.e. the most popular being the Rover V8. Discretion is also used in the class where certain parts i.e. some electronics are no longer available, but this should not give open book for people to flout the rules.

The only class that Graham's car is legible for is Sports Libre.

I hope this helps to clear up any misunderstandings.

Regards, Barrie

[PaulR]

The Tiga SF83-Peugeot ran in N2 last weekend. I'm pretty sure this isn't an original engine fitment.

I think the classes split N1/N2 for sports/single-seaters? Allan Goodwin ran in M1 last weekend.

Anyway a query to Tony would be sensible.

Paul

[Rescue Dude]

Originally Posted by PaulR

The Tiga SF83-Peugeot ran in this class last weekend. I'm pretty sure this isn't an original engine fitment.

Paul

Is that the ex Terry Davis car?

[Bazimoto]

Paul,

It would be my opinion that this car qualified if the engine was fitted pre 1985 in that particular car. Otherwise it is another one of these discretionary cars that has a log booked previous history and the scrutineers plus Tony Fletcher have to make their minds up on that issue. It is a good point and I can't give you a firm answer but I would be happy to see it in the class - but that's my personal opinion.

Could I also take this opportunity to correct my comments regarding Alan Goodwin's car, because there are enough entries or cars available class M1 was formed for classic sports racing cars built up to and including 1971 in which Alan Goodwin is a competitor.

From memory because Terry Clifford was not eligible for class N, I believe Tony Fletcher would have considered a pre 1985 class for sports racing cars built up to 1985 but it would appear there would not be enough cars to fill a reasonable size class.

Regards, Barrie

[James Williams]

My understanding was that Class N(i) was for Sports Racing Cars (closed wheel)Manufactured upto 1985 inclusive and Class N(ii) was for Racing cars (open wheel)manufactured upto 1985 inclusive. Alan Goodwins is entered into Class M(i) for sports racing cars upto 1971 inclusive so I would have thought Graham's car would have been eligable for Class N(i) as the chassis and engine were manufactured upto 1985 inclusive.

But I may be wrong! (and Barrie has now confirmed that Class N(i) isn't around at the moment due to lack of entries which seems a shame)

James