Vote of no confidence in MSA motor sport council

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by Rescue Dude

Initially I think, though utterly confusing its layed out, it looks ok.
I completely agree with the banning of rose jointed suspension.

Am I right in saying that all drivers in roadgoing now have to have a cage If all these amendments pass?
Thats how it looks to me.

Ignore that last bit i've just re-read it.

seems a bit silly banning roller top mounts as most after market struts , and most modified cars used on the road have them. I thought we wanted to attract the people who have modified road cars, not confuse them.

[Rescue Dude]

Originally Posted by SteveM

seems a bit silly banning roller top mounts as most after market struts , and most modified cars used on the road have them. I thought we wanted to attract the people who have modified road cars, not confuse them.

Agree to a point on that but not with fully rose jointed wishbones etc.
The MSA are trying to keep mods to a minimum which is fair enough but I do wish they'd make it a bit clearer.

[Bobwick]

I think some of you need to go back and read the section along with the blue book, read what is there and what it relates to, not what you want it to say!!

[Rescue Dude]

Originally Posted by Bobwick

I think some of you need to go back and read the section along with the blue book, read what is there and what it relates to, not what you want it to say!!

I've done that and apart from it being a bit confusing I don't have any problems with what it says.

[Lolat492]

If you got a booklet specific to your chosen direction, Hillclimbs and Sprints in our case, then the need to search that book goes away.

Surely not that difficult in this Microsoft/Apple world we live in?

Better still maybe, allow the book to be available on line (after buying your licence) and you can then cut n paste your own together and pass them on on this site!

I bet there is a copyrite in there somewhere.

[33JOY]

Originally Posted by Lolat492

Better still maybe, allow the book to be available on line (after buying your licence) and you can then cut n paste your own together and pass them on on this site!

I bet there is a copyrite in there somewhere.

You don't even need to buy a licence:

http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/conten...p?category=528

Peter

[Bunman]

Take it back to how it was.

1) Production Saloons: = Standard. No mods except maybe wheels tyres.
2) Modified Saloons: = Cars built around a steel shell with free mods (but no spaceframes)
3) Special Saloons := Silouette spaceframe specials.

Can't get cheaper than using a standard car. to start with (well depending what it is) If you enjoy it then you progress and either modify your standard car or buy something else etc etc.

It is a bit of a shambles at the moment.

[Ian Johnson]

totally agree with the above.............plain and simple no confission.

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by Bunman

Take it back to how it was.

1) Production Saloons: = Standard. No mods except maybe wheels tyres.
2) Modified Saloons: = Cars built around a steel shell with free mods (but no spaceframes)
3) Special Saloons := Silouette spaceframe specials.

Can't get cheaper than using a standard car. to start with (well depending what it is) If you enjoy it then you progress and either modify your standard car or buy something else etc etc.

It is a bit of a shambles at the moment.

problem with that is to run at the front you have to buy the fastest production car you can, and that is not cheap, my 205 is worth maybe £4000 and can set good times. That is cheap, if was production based would need to go buy a civic type R, honda S2000, they cost far more for a decent one.

[Bunman]

I have started my 2 daughters off this year in the roadgoing production class up to 1400 in a standard year 2000 Mini Cooper. They are having a great time. Now over the winter they would like to upgrade to something else and go into Modifieds.

As I see it the Production class was supposed to be a cheap entry level to the sport to allow you to have a go in your road car to see if you liked it and allow people to compete without spending too much money initially.
If you enjoyed the experience then the natural progression would be to upgrade to modifieds.

Problem is with the open ended,un fathomable regs as they stand the Roadgoing Production classes now have some cars in them that are more modified than the Modifieds!! 500bhp Evoroos?? etc

Lets not lose sight of what we are trying to do here.