Vote of no confidence in MSA motor sport council

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by Bunman

"Just because it doesn't say you can't it doesn't mean you can"

Modifications to components are prohibited unless specifically stated.

Induction system is free doesn't mean 600bhp it means if it came with it then it's fine. i.e turbo,supercharger.

These 3 statements in the Blue book seem to get overlooked. . . . . . .

also says this
10.10. Categories are defined in the following
regulations (11 to 15) (except for Period Defined
Vehicles (Non-Rally) A-E inclusive, which remain free).
Classes within those categories are free but must be
stated in the SR’s.
Other than the provisions of Section J, 10 above, and
the specific Category regulations below, as appropriate,
modifications are free.

So Modifications are free, or Modifications to components are prohibited unless specifically stated.
so you can, but you cant , but there again you can modify???

[redturner37]

Originally Posted by SteveM

A standard class is just about impossible to police.

So would this suggest that you think competitors would/do cheat.

[carl talbot]

Originally Posted by SteveM

also says this
10.10. Categories are defined in the following
regulations (11 to 15) (except for Period Defined
Vehicles (Non-Rally) A-E inclusive, which remain free).
Classes within those categories are free but must be
stated in the SR’s.
Other than the provisions of Section J, 10 above, and
the specific Category regulations below, as appropriate,
modifications are free.

another fine example of simple and understandable regs. !

[kwik-kid]

why not a BHP limit in respect to your weight, so if your a heavy tank of a car you can have more BHP, if your light your only aloud a little amount. maybe have it by BHP/tonne.

only problem will be the cars going through a rolling road to prove it.

or regulated super and turbo chargers, but again there are so many, its hard to regulate...

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by kwik-kid

why not a BHP limit in respect to your weight, so if your a heavy tank of a car you can have more BHP, if your light your only aloud a little amount. maybe have it by BHP/tonne.

only problem will be the cars going through a rolling road to prove it.

or regulated super and turbo chargers, but again there are so many, its hard to regulate...

who pays for the rolling road and weigh bridge for every venue? The idea is good but will never work

[redturner37]

[QUOTE=kwik-kid;40271]why not a BHP limit in respect to your weight, so if your a heavy tank of a car you can have more BHP, if your light your only aloud a little amount. maybe have it by BHP/tonne.

QUOTE] and as soon as you bugger about with the rules again, some-one will find a way around it. Any-one building a car to any spec should have to be scruteneered before the first meeting and told what class they will be in. If they then want to later upgrade then they must be prepared to change class. People will then make sure they read to rules and ask before committing themselves and spending lots of money.

[SteveM]

[QUOTE=redturner37;40278]

Originally Posted by kwik-kid

why not a BHP limit in respect to your weight, so if your a heavy tank of a car you can have more BHP, if your light your only aloud a little amount. maybe have it by BHP/tonne.

QUOTE] and as soon as you bugger about with the rules again, some-one will find a way around it. Any-one building a car to any spec should have to be scruteneered before the first meeting and told what class they will be in. If they then want to later upgrade then they must be prepared to change class. People will then make sure they read to rules and ask before committing themselves and spending lots of money.

Agree Red, but let us have the rules before the first event in fact before the end of jan so we have time to sort out the car, and dont change the interperetation half way through the year.

[redturner37]

[QUOTE=SteveM;40281]

Originally Posted by redturner37

Agree Red, but let us have the rules before the first event in fact before the end of jan so we have time to sort out the car, and dont change the interperetation half way through the year.

Absolutely, just my take on the current situation. Competitors are doing their best to understand the mess that they have basically got themselves into because of lax interpretation of the rules and in my opinion, the MSA have tended to try to accomodate every whim put to them and we now find ourselves where we are. At the risk of repeating myself, you dont get this situation with a Formula Ford, because you can't do anything to it. This may sound boring to some of the guys who inhabit this site, but believe me, the competition is just has good as any class who have allowed the rules to run away and no-one seems to know what is going on.

[Ian Johnson]

i have no idea how to sort the mess but many on here have vast amounts of experience and should be allowed their input. There will always be competitors that stretch the regulations and in some respect is the essence of modifiying and staying one step a head............maybe all that is needed is closer inspection and a strong 'NO' from the scrutes and put into correct classes.

[siany1997]

The biggest issue with roadgoing classes is the inabitity to get enough weight off them. The more modern a car is, the heavier it will be. That will always limit what will be successful.