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Old 30-04-15, 22:37
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Sprint/HillClimbing - high cost and low mileage?

I've often been tempted by Sprinting/Hillclimbing in recent years but then always been deterred by the very low mileage (and high cost per mile), which doesn't really justify the time and effort of getting the car to/from the event.

It's just not worth the effort/time of getting a car to/from an event (and a day at the venue) for just 5-7 minutes of seat time (even if it were to cost the same as an Autosolo i.e. £25 entry), IMHO. A Sprint at £100 is about £20/minute. As a comparison, a single-venue rally gives approx 50mins of seat time per day for £220 entry fee (£4.40/minute).

How about a 'sprint practice day' (or track day) where you can do lots of runs? Is there anything like this? This would also let people get more of a feel for the car (and therefore be ideal to get novices into the sport). Alternatively, how about an 'open practice' session at the beginning and/or end of the event? Additionally, getting MSA dispensation to take passengers would allow new people to be introduced to the sport (and/or driver tips given).

BTW, contrary to popular belief, the MSA CAN allow things like the above if they want to (and if it is requested from them in advance) e.g. passengers on an Autosolo:

Free Autosolo Passenger Rides at Autosport International show 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90o4JqUidrY
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Old 30-04-15, 22:55
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I think you want a track day?

If the lack of hill climbing or sprinting seat time is an issue, you are missing the point/challenge of the sport.
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Old 30-04-15, 23:08
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Personally I don't see the fascination with mileage, I just equate it to wear and tear (maybe it's a Yorkshire thing). So say I've got a two grand budget I can probably do around 16speed events in a season, quick spanner check and oil change at the end of the season and the jobs a good 'un. How many single venue rallies will that get me in a season? When you factor in consumeables, fuel, damage etc, 2 maybe 3?

I'd sooner be out a every 2 or 3 weeks in the summer sprinting/hill climbing.

Autosolos etc just don't do it for me, they could be free and I still think id pass.

Each to their own eh

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Old 30-04-15, 23:12
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If the lack of hill climbing or sprinting seat time is an issue, you are missing the point/challenge of the sport.
Well said Rob, I can't see Usain Bolt switching to the Marathon any time soon...
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Old 30-04-15, 23:20
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And when you factor in the wear and tear on a car, sprinting is far kinder on engines,brakes,tyres and all other major components!
A ling circuit sprint at club level may suit your requirements a bit more.like anglesey which is 2.1 miles and you can get as many as 8 or 9 runs if the meet goes smoothly!
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Old 30-04-15, 23:43
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I've tried several of the motorsport disciplines, trackdays, karting, 12 car rallies, stage rallies, sprinting and hillclimbing. By far the most enjoyable for me is sprinting and hillclimbing because you can enjoy many weekends away with friends at modest cost. It's always a good social event combined with some very intense periods of concentration in the car driving fast. It doesn't cost the earth to run and maintain the car either, unlike rallying or trackdays.
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I may have got it wrong somewhere along the way, but I always thought the idea of sprinting and hillclimbing is to reduce the time we spend in the car. If I was any good I would go up SW in 25 secs but because it takes me 35 secs I am in the seat 10 seconds longer, Great. As Rob says, you are missing the point if you want to spend more time in the car. I have to concede however, that the 2 or 3 minutes it takes to complete a hill in France is brilliant...
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Blyton Park do a good sprint series run by the mini cross drivers assoc (mda) its two laps of the track with the two practice runs in the morning and five runs in the afternoon. Great event very smooth running.
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A very strange post on a hillclimb forum !
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I concur with all the above (even Allan!). It's not about seat time. To be fair, if you're doing it right, 4 or 5 runs a day is enough.

For me, the technical freedom, the variety of cars, the friendliness and then the totally committed- no second chance - do or die time in the car is what it's all about.

I guess if you want seat time and no other people around to punt you off then maybe stage rallying is the sport for you.

As for a practice day, these do happen occasionally, but are never timed; try the Retro day at Prescott (if it's still there). As for a an open practice session at the start of an event. This makes no sense. We already get 2 practice runs.
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