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Old 28-11-17, 08:26
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I recently purchased a Radical SR4 which has been circuit raced all it's life, it's taken me 7 weeks to get a passport issued as they didn't like the ROPS. This despite me having the certificate & the car never been altered from new! Only sorted after Radical became involved in the issue. Seems crazy to me that the car is OK to drive around Silverstone flat out but needs a passport to drive up Wiscombe hill! I also had to change the extinguisher system & fuel sampling device.
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Old 28-11-17, 11:40
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Indeed but that, said some of the things circuit racing are downright dangerous. The MSA should apply the same zeal to "sorting out" racing as it has to other disciplines - not that they will as the fallout would be of nuclear proportions and we all know which is the MSA's favoured discipline.
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Old 28-11-17, 11:53
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I defies all logic that sprint and hillclimb cars should have rule enforcement to be more rigid than circuit race cars, where you could expect the risk of an accident to be so much greater.
I have never seen a satisfactory explanation as to why a circuit car never needed a log book or passport, but it is require for our discipline
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Old 28-11-17, 12:09
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I had a real debacle over mine.
The MSA decided it was a Group 6 Sportscar, which it never had been, but were unprepared to back down from that stance.
Finally I had a ROPS made of big tubing to exceed anything they could consider it needed, and did get a passport.
I think the important lesson from this is to find out what the MSA consider your car to be prior to making anything.
Otherwise you may spend a lot of time and money to create something which they then decide is not sufficient.
Interestingly mine is the only MP43 that has been altered, but all the others are still passing scrutineering.
On that basis, why bother, as nobody seems to check anyhow !
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Old 28-11-17, 12:12
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Just go historic problem solved 🙋BTD♂️
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Old 28-11-17, 12:46
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I have the structural analysis for the chassis which is excellent news. One step forward.
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Old 28-11-17, 16:33
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I am historic, that's the problem...
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Old 28-11-17, 20:16
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Not really Jeff - somebody elses calcs aren't good enough for the MSA; has to come from Mira.
But on the positive, if you've got the numbers, you should have confidence your design passes so it's just a procedural issue (albeit expensive).
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Old 29-11-17, 23:10
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Please remember that from the 1/1/18 there are new ROPS rules.

Sports racing cars no longer need a 48.3mm x 2.6mm hoop but can use 45 x 2.5 (1.75" x 0.095" or 50 x 2mm (2" x 0.083" )

For single seaters the dreaded 42.4 is gone and the rule is now

Vehicles up to 470kgs 38 x 2.5mm (1.5" x 0.095" ) or 40 x 2 mm (1.6" x 0.083" )
Vehicles 470kg and over 45 x2.5 (1.75" x 0.095" ) or 50 x2mm (2" x 0.083" )
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Old 30-11-17, 06:21
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How can the msa possibly bring a Rops rule in for 1 year - costing dozens of people thousands of pounds, Then simply abolish it 12 months later?
It's a disgrace
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