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Old 25-08-17, 08:50
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St-Ursanne Les Rangiers 2017

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After a number of years of spectating at Shelsley, Prescott, Curborough Wiscombe and Loton I finally managed to visit St-Ursanne Les Rangiers (Switzerland) on 19th / 20th August.

This is a very fast hill starting in St-Ursanne village, running along side the Doubs river, with a 'Prescott Orchard-like' technical hairpin section at Petit Susten towards Les Rangiers at the top. The winning average speed is over 180 km /h but much faster through section such as Les Grippons (under a motorway bridge - great for sound effects). Some of the viewing points are very near to the course, but if you don't catch the Navette buses you have to be prepared to hike through steep woods to get to Le Malrang a fast 'Esses section' in the middle. The hike is well worth it for Malrang farm's barbecue sausages.

The 'pits' was excellent; every free level spot in the medieval village was taken up by competing cars, the restaurants were also full of drivers and teams. Despite being a round of the FIA European Championship, I didn't think the crowds were much bigger than say a VSCC event although the shear size (5180 meters long with 350 meters of elevation) may account for appearing to dilute the spectator numbers. The atmosphere in the village was great with sports racing cars being run over the narrow cobbled streets to the start.

One slight disappointment was the number of crashes into the Armco on Sunday which lead to serious delays and we had to leave before the second runs of the Normas and Osellas. The crashes seem to come mainly from slightly over ambitious Swiss or Luxembourg hill climb championship competitors in saloon cars. Maybe the clerk of the course should look at some sort of qualification / driving standards before allowing drivers into a FIA event?

The course record was beaten by Christian Merli in his Osella FA30 but as both runs are added together to produce a total aggregate time victory went to Simone Faggioli Norma M20 FC.

There were no British drivers represented but the commentator kept mentioning Charlie Martin's ladies record from 2016.

Bearing in mind the governments recent 'motorsport on public roads bill' could we create something similar in the UK - such as Fish Hill from Broadway, B4077 Stanway Hill or the A449 out of Ledbury.

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Rob

I have a few iphone photos but probably best to search St-Ursanne Les Rangiers 2017 on You Tube.
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Old 25-08-17, 10:43
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Fish hill, now your talking. That would be awesome
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Old 25-08-17, 12:05
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Bearing in mind the governments recent 'motorsport on public roads bill' could we create something similar in the UK - such as Fish Hill from Broadway, B4077 Stanway Hill or the A449 out of Ledbury.
Fish Hill is a bit wide but the B4077 from Stanway would be a cracker and on your last run you can just keep going to the Plough at Ford for a nice pint of Donnington SBA. The perfect hillclimb...... Discuss.
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Old 25-08-17, 12:28
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Nick98 - in my time as a rep in a Cortina 1.6L - many moons ago- I did in fact hold BTDBTDBTD for that particular climb at Stanway. It being a regular route I was well versed with the sweeps and climbs. Holding 2nd and 3rd flat , the 75 BHP fairly rocketed me up to the top paddock ,reaching I would say, speeds exceeding 57mph. Used to make my Mum go a bit white in the back though.
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Old 25-08-17, 15:18
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It would be a particularly good one and I'm not sure if a big Gould would be the quickest thing up it either.
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Old 25-08-17, 18:20
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When I had my Westfield many moons ago it was known for me to turn round at the top of Fish Hill go back down and have another run.
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Old 25-08-17, 20:13
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I live about a mile beyond the top of Fish Hill on Five Mile Drive (clue is in the name) and all day tomorrow will be one big superbike race, so will Sunday and Monday as are all weekends and Bank Holidays.
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Old 26-08-17, 00:32
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Come over and try the mountain climb at Bathurst, Martin Groves said i would love to do that in the Gould.
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Old 29-08-17, 15:44
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St-Ursanne/Trento

Many thanks for this, Rob. I'm thinking of going to St-Ursanne myself sometime but spectating tips are hard to come by, so this is really useful. St-Ursanne looks like the closest you'll get to the IOM TT on four wheels, although the price has been some very big shunts over the years.

In July I went to the Italian round of the European championship at Trento Bondone. It's much slower than St-Ursanne (average speed about 115 km/h) thanks to several dozen hairpins but has a spectacular Alpine setting.

As the climb is the longest in Europe (17 km) the Sunday event is over one run only, so I went on the Saturday when two practice runs were scheduled. I watched in the village of Sardagna where the cars blast up the main street, Targa Florio-style, and there's a great atmosphere among the local spectators.

You can't get much closer to the action - everyone stands right behind the temporary concrete barriers that line the course there. At one point the marshals ordered people back just before a safety inspector arrived. As soon as he drove off, everyone was allowed back to previous positions!

My plan was to move up for the second run to a section where there are seven hairpins in quick succession. However, due to endless delays (apparently someone knocked over one of the concrete barriers higher up) only the historic cars got a second run. Still, the sight of Christian Merli and Simone Faggioli blasting past the village fountain was memorable. Watch this video at 48 seconds to get an idea of what it's like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dxZJdGKsz0

Faggioli blitzed everyone again this year and almost broke the 9 minute barrier to set yet another record.

Generally it's not easy to watch Trento Bondone from different spots, as you can in St-Ursanne, but Sardagna gives you a flavour of the great continental road races long gone. It's also easy to get to as there's a cable car up from Trento, and then it's a short walk into the village.

One drawback is that when you leave the cable car you get stung for a 20 euro weekend entry ticket. That's a bit steep as apart from a goodie bag with a magazine cum programme, it gets you trackside access only. There's none of the commentary, navette etc that you get for about the same price at St-Ursanne. There was some negative comment on the organiser's BTDBTDBTDBTDBTDBTDBTDBTD page this year about this.

If, like me, you have family or friends who aren't hillclimb fans, Trento itself is a beautiful town with lots to see (and eat). On the Friday, you can combine sport and sightseeing as scrutineering is done Le Mans-style in the town centre. Cars drive there from the paddock in convoy with a police escort. It's an easy walk to the paddock but beware, you have to pass briefly along a very busy autostrada slip road which has no pavement.

Anyone else out there have tips for continental spectating, such as at Eschdorf or Ecce Homo?

All the best

David
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Old 29-08-17, 18:36
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David,

My wife and daughter are not 'fans' but went canoeing on the Doubs river, which is a like a much bigger version River Wye so everyone was happy.

Rob
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