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Old 13-10-17, 11:09
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Interesting isn't it. By the above definition, lots of one-make formula cars meet the requirement in numbers and having a car engine (Mygale FF for example).

So what does 'Normal commercial channels' mean? It's not defined.

I suggest you couldn't have just bought a Mygale FF from a dealer, could you have bought an SR3SL as a single car for your own use? or was it a championship package?

Personally it seems a silly idea to turn up in something that is not really what the class is about. Yeah, you might win a plastic pot, but not really an achievement. I'm all for pushing the rules, but I see no sense in this idea.
You have summed it up perfectly!!
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The first meeting I did in my SR3 (1100zzr ex press car) was a BSC round at Croft in 2003 it was put in the Road going kit car class (not by me) along with a Westfield XTR. Next meeting was Harewood where that great late sage Brian Kenyon took one look at it and said ' I've seen that bloody car on Top Gear it's libre' Simple as that, sorted!!
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Interesting isn't it. By the above definition, lots of one-make formula cars meet the requirement in numbers and having a car engine (Mygale FF for example).

So what does 'Normal commercial channels' mean? It's not defined.

I suggest you couldn't have just bought a Mygale FF from a dealer, could you have bought an SR3SL as a single car for your own use? or was it a championship package?
My local Ford Dealer had a Mygale FF on display when it was launched and it was "for sale" as it had a price tag on it!
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Since the launch of the SR3 in 2002, Radical has specialised in producing the most extreme trackday cars for the road. The newest addition to that bloodline is the SR3 SL, a fully EC Type Approved model, featuring Euro5-compliant engines, a road lighting kit, road silencing and high-grip road-legal trackday tyres, to provide the ultimate on-road thrill. Nothing gives you a bigger adrenaline rush than a Radical.

Radical can continue to offer the SR3 RS, SR4 CS and SR8 RX as a road legal model in select countries, including the UK, Japan, Italy and the Czech Republic. It is a fully road-legal SR8 that has held the Nurburgring Nordschleife production car lap record since 2005, and a Radical since 2003. First 7:19, then 6:56, Radical has constantly redefined the performance boundaries of a road car. Then came Radical's 2009 record attempt...

Many manufacturers take their top models to the Nordschleife to prove their worth. Very few drive their cars there, do the lap, then drive home again though. Radical did, and the car drove faltlessly throughout the entire trip. And broke the Grüne Hölle lap record – for the third time, with a lap record time of 6m 48s.

So the SR3SL is Euro 5 EU type approved which made is more of a Specialist Production car than most Kitcars. The SR8RX is also a road-legal car and again Specialist Production.
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Old 13-10-17, 16:50
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My local Ford Dealer had a Mygale FF on display when it was launched and it was "for sale" as it had a price tag on it!
Genius! Got a photo? I have an idea...................
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The sr3SL would qualify, yes. The SR8RX would not as the engine has not been manufactured in great enough quantities.
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Genius! Got a photo? I have an idea...................
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You have summed it up perfectly!!
I would ask "what is the class all about"?
As there are a lot of cars out there with a considerable more expensive bits on them (including mine) that are much more developed than an SR3!

I'm still not sure anyone has come up with an argument that stops it being done according to the regulations, and that was my original question.

Sort of highlights the problem with the MSA regulations as they stand
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Indeed. The SR3 was exclusively available with motorbike engines, and therefore could not be defined as a specialist production car.

Most kits were originally available with series production car engines, and therefore fall under the MSA definition of a specialist production car.
But isn't a Suzuki motorbike "a land based production vehicle" made in numbers of 1000 plus?

Your two definitions contradict one another don't they?
If you're saying that motorbike engines aren't "production" then all the bike engine kit cars should be in sports libre!
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