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Old 03-04-18, 14:30
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This could be why not many MSA rule makers compete. They could not stand the hassle they have caused.
Or being thrown into the nettle bushes by the other competitors
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Old 03-04-18, 15:02
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It was announced in October last year

Date of implementation:
1 January 2019

5.14.9. If non lead acid batteries
are used as the main vehicle
battery
, the battery pack(s) must
carry the appropriate “EC” and
markings. and be either a
Standard Part or manufactured
by an MSA registered
manufacturer.

What is and appropriate "EC" marking or is that a typo and it should be "CE"?
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Old 03-04-18, 15:40
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Let's hope they don't go down the path of MSA stickers on batteries, but I'd not be surprised if they do

Perhaps we should invite the Committee Members who come up with these ideas to join us scrutineering 80-100 cars in a wet and windy field (like Doune, Forrestburn, Kames, Boyndie) with no cover or shelter. Try affixing stickers to FHRs, Helmets and Batteries as well as looking at ROPS Certificates and Vehicle Passports. Oh, and BTW; all in 6 mins because the Organiser wont budget for any more than the absolute minimum in people or time. And the Drivers Briefing is at the same time as Scrutineering
Like John says, if only there was a thumbs up button.
I remember a couple of years back at the scrutineers seminar when they said we should check cats, and when you asked how we were told you take the car into the scrutineering bay put it on the four post lift and measure the temps.
This weekend I will be at Down Ampney a single venue stage rally where Rally HQ will be a caravan and scrutineering will take place 100 yds inside the start of stage one so we have to be finished 15 mins before the start, I wish they would come out into the real world sometimes !!
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Old 03-04-18, 16:17
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No quite sure about the ..Standard Part or from an MSA registered supplier". Does it mean that single seaters who do not have a "standard part" (I take to mean supplied by manufacturer), are by default required to have one from an MSA Registered( taxed) manufacturer. Worse if Varley do not "manufacture" but "supply" will this count??
They should have stopped at "EC" .
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Has anyone fathomed what batteries are MSA friendly yet? I have one of Allan's teeny gel ones and I really don't want to go backwards due to the MSA being ridiculous for no sensible reason (as usual!)
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I bet someone related to the bright spark who came up with this (No pun intended) is involved in model aircraft/RC cars and heard the old horror stories of lipo's going up in smoke if charged incorrectly.
Technology has moved on considerably since then and the modern batteries sold by the likes of Mini-Evo Allan are a different breed - and well proven in lots of cars.

I would be more worried about the quality of installation / fitment of folk's batteries long before being concerned about the type of chemistry used in the cells.

The MSA really need to do some proper risk analysis and detailed research before coming up with these knee-jerk reaction rules........
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But they have introduced the rule albeit for the start of 2019.
'We' are a lone voice, in fact 'we' are not a voice at all!

I/we will have simply to wait and see but I do hope there will be a solution to this so we can all be prepared, even if it is to have £2.50 in change come next March.
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No quite sure about the ..Standard Part or from an MSA registered supplier". Does it mean that single seaters who do not have a "standard part" (I take to mean supplied by manufacturer), are by default required to have one from an MSA Registered( taxed) manufacturer. Worse if Varley do not "manufacture" but "supply" will this count??
They should have stopped at "EC" .
'Standard Part' is defined in Section B and is basically Manufacturer/Original Equipment part, so effectively if you have a non-Lead acid battery next year, it will need to be "Approved" by the MSA.

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'Standard Part' is defined in Section B and is basically Manufacturer/Original Equipment part, so effectively if you have a non-Lead acid battery next year, it will need to be "Approved" by the MSA.
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