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Old 12-10-17, 14:06
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But were radicals built as road cars.As Specialist cars would of been road going and then modified.
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Old 12-10-17, 15:20
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The rules say that the engine must be from a land vehicle manufacturer, nothing about being from a car.

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But were radicals built as road cars.As Specialist cars would of been road going and then modified.
It would seem that this is implied, but it is not actually specified. Which is interesting.
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Old 12-10-17, 15:35
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Interesting, so all of the bike engined kit cars are not eligible for specialist production as they don't run a "car" engine!
I thought that the production numbers of 20 were across the board I.E. 20 chassis made available (not sold) and that the bike engine is a production unit as its numbers are also above 20 made available.
In which case the whole range of Radicals fit the description!
That isn't a regulation but a definition. The regulation under mod spec prod section stipulates that cars in that category (ie a specialist production car that has been modified) can be fitted with any engine from a land based vehicle produced in numbers of 1000 or more.

As traditionally the SR3 chassis was not produced with an engine from a series production car it therefore could not be defined as a specialist production car.

Whether the SR3SL chassis is similar enough to essentially 'redefine' the SR3 is probably debatable.
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Old 12-10-17, 19:05
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But isn't the SR3 engine basically a hyabusa engine?
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Old 12-10-17, 20:27
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But isn't the SR3 engine basically a hyabusa engine?
Indeed. The SR3 was exclusively available with motorbike engines, and therefore could not be defined as a specialist production car.

Most kits were originally available with series production car engines, and therefore fall under the MSA definition of a specialist production car.
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Old 12-10-17, 20:55
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I think if you look at FIA Appendix J it helps to clarify what is a "production" car, rather than a competition car (like a Radical).
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Old 12-10-17, 22:52
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Except the Blue Book doesn't mention App.J. Based on the Blue Book definitions and assuming the production numbers quoted earlier are correct, an SR3SL qualifies as specialist production unless I've missed something ... Happy to be educated if I have.
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Old 13-10-17, 08:12
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Interesting isn't it. By the above definition, lots of one-make formula cars meet the requirement in numbers and having a car engine (Mygale FF for example).

So what does 'Normal commercial channels' mean? It's not defined.

I suggest you couldn't have just bought a Mygale FF from a dealer, could you have bought an SR3SL as a single car for your own use? or was it a championship package?

Personally it seems a silly idea to turn up in something that is not really what the class is about. Yeah, you might win a plastic pot, but not really an achievement. I'm all for pushing the rules, but I see no sense in this idea.
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Old 13-10-17, 09:48
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I think I'll enter my Radical SR4 in roadgoing class 1A
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Radical make both road-going and race only cars. The SR3SL is road legal and therefore fits in Specialist Production surely. Radical's RXC would as well

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/radical/sr3

Looks Specialist Production to me.
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