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Old 27-11-17, 18:45
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ROPS & Passport

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this but lets see.

The Zeus Challenger Evo 2 I bought has been used for endurance racing as recently as 2016 but didn't come with a passport as, apparently, it wasn't required to circuit race.

Additionally the MSA can't find a ROPS certificate for the car/design although the model previously to this has one.

So I guess the questions are

1. Can I get a ROPS certificate issued for the car if I have the drawings/spec of tubing and if so what is the cost/time taken to do that?

2. I assume it will need a Vehicle Passport even though it didn't in circuit racing?

I'm dreading having to get the existing ROPS removed (which is part of the chassis) to be replaced by the required MSA Bluebook sportscar ROPs (K60iii I think).
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What size is the hoop on it?
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Old 27-11-17, 19:32
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1 - best to contact the manfacturer, also does it have an FIA approval certificate?
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1 - best to contact the manfacturer, also does it have an FIA approval certificate?
Manufacture went bust a long time ago although I am in contact with the designer who has all the drawings and it is possible he has the paperwork.
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Check that it is not using the same certificate as the previous model ?
Manufacturer should be able to help with this.
Or maybe MSA as they do hold details of some but not all racing car certificates. As was found out last year and a lot of people were helped in this process.

Slightly surprised you'd not sorted this prior to purchase ?
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is the model prior to this an evo 1 and if does it have a cert? if yes then can you not say your car is an evo 1?

or as Nick says does the evo 1 cert apply to evo 2 as well? whats the difference between models?
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I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this but lets see.

The Zeus Challenger Evo 2 I bought has been used for endurance racing as recently as 2016 but didn't come with a passport as, apparently, it wasn't required to circuit race.

Additionally the MSA can't find a ROPS certificate for the car/design although the model previously to this has one.

So I guess the questions are

1. Can I get a ROPS certificate issued for the car if I have the drawings/spec of tubing and if so what is the cost/time taken to do that?

2. I assume it will need a Vehicle Passport even though it didn't in circuit racing?

I'm dreading having to get the existing ROPS removed (which is part of the chassis) to be replaced by the required MSA Bluebook sportscar ROPs (K60iii I think).
1. Cost is approx. ?1000 plus vat at MIRA for the test and then ?300 at MSA to register. You will have to also pay someone to do a drawing and deliver it to MIRA in their required format if you don't have one. Their lead time seems to vary according to reports here but I have a feeling it is short for those that are an easy pass, longer if it fails and fixes have to be re-tested.

2. Yes, that will cost you whatever it is now ?40??
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Old 27-11-17, 19:49
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OK, to be honest it would be cheaper to get it approved than to change it then. The drawings from the original car exist so it shouldn't be much of an issue.
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Just check that it doesn't meet the MSA rules at the time of manufacture as good chance it may well have done.
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